Revolutionizing Payments: The Intersection of FedNow, Real-Time Payments, and Industry Trends

Revolutionizing Payments: The Intersection of FedNow, Real-Time Payments, and Industry Trends

Last month’s launch of FedNow has sparked discussions on the future of real-time payments and their implications on banks and fintechs. In an interview with ConnexPay Founder and CEO Bob Kaufman, we look at the introduction of FedNow and how it stands to impact competition and adoption across the sector.

The interview also sheds light on the shift away from checks and cash, looks at the impact real-time payments will have on banks, and offers insight into strategies to stay ahead of the curve.

How will FedNow’s recent launch impact competition and adoption across the sector?

Bob Kaufman: In my view, FedNow effectively bridges the gap that exists between the traditional ACH infrastructure and the Federal Reserve’s payment rails. While ACH offers a reliable solution for high volumes of payments, its drawback lies in its lack of real-time processing. Even with the introduction of same-day ACH, there remains a risk of funds being reclaimed within a short span. This limitation becomes evident in situations such as property purchases where swift transactions are crucial – a circumstance for which the wire network was established. However, the wire payment system comes with its own set of drawbacks, notably its high cost and the manual intervention required.

What are the current barriers to mass adoption of real-time payments?

Kaufman: FedNow targets small-dollar peer-to-peer transactions and operates solely within the United States. In contrast to card-based transactions, there also appears to be a lack of a robust dispute resolution process for FedNow, although there have been discussions about implementing one.
When we consider the present use of credit cards, it’s interesting to note the confidence we place in the act of handing our cards to unfamiliar entities. This applies particularly to transactions involving businesses we’ve never engaged with before. We readily input those 16-digit card numbers without dwelling on the potential consequences if the purchased items fail to materialize at our doorstep. This level of assurance stems from the knowledge that, should an issue arise, we can promptly contact our bank, initiate a dispute, and subsequently reclaim our funds. This chargeback process is a fundamental reason why credit cards remain a prevailing payment method.

The dominance of Visa and Mastercard in the market is largely attributed to their establishment of a highly effective chargeback mechanism. This tried-and-true approach provides a reliable means of resolving transactional disputes that isn’t as well-developed within alternative payment avenues.

What impact will real-time payments have on banks?

Kaufman: I believe that the banking sector stands to benefit from addressing the current shortcomings within the ACH and wire transfer systems. While ACH transactions work seamlessly for many B2B payments due to their scalability, they each have limitations when it comes to P2P and certain other transaction types. ACH will undoubtedly continue to serve a purpose for pre-authorized payments, enabling businesses to initiate ACH transfers to designated recipients when there’s an assurance of incoming funds.

However, ACH encounters challenges, especially in terms of data handling. In contrast, credit card transactions provide an array of comprehensive details, including Level 3 data, allowing for precise identification of invoices and the nature of the payment. This wealth of information ensures clarity in understanding the purpose of a transaction. The reconciliation process poses a significant issue with ACH transactions, particularly for the CFOs of large corporations. Their checking accounts could be inundated with hundreds of ACH records on a daily basis, often without clear indications of their corresponding purposes. This discrepancy creates a reconciliation nightmare that doesn’t arise when utilizing credit card transactions, where the associated data provides a more transparent overview of each transaction.

Will the real-time payments boom in the U.S. lead to the end of checks and cash payments?

Kaufman: Throughout my tenure in this industry, the consensus has been that checks are steadily fading into obsolescence. Admittedly, it’s been quite some time since I’ve personally written a check, and even my 20-year-old children are unfamiliar with the concept. In that regard, checks have essentially become a thing of the past.

While checks are dwindling, they persist in B2B payments, constituting nearly half of such transactions. COVID-19 impacted cash usage, yet it remains for businesses lacking stable internet connectivity. The complications of cash management and the IRS’s stance on it provide incentives to phase it out.

At ConnexPay, our objective is to serve as a comprehensive solution for inbound and outbound funds for companies that operate as intermediaries (such as travel agencies, Doordash, Uber Eats, and ecommerce marketplaces), rather than producing their own goods or services. We’re committed to addressing the diverse payment requirements that these businesses demand. This is precisely why we offer options like push-to-card, ACH, and wire transfers.

What is ConnexPay doing to stay ahead of the trends in the industry?

Kaufman: ConnexPay was established with a vision to address the fragmentation in the payments industry. Our goal is to streamline the payment process for companies by offering both incoming and outgoing payment solutions. Unlike our competitors, we provide a unified approach, resolving pain points like cash flow issues. Our real-time access to funds sets us apart.

We are agile in responding to customer needs and rapidly implementing new solutions. For instance, consider companies like AirBnB – although they are not yet our clients, such firms have expressed a need to compensate consumers rather than businesses on the opposite end of a transaction. These companies prefer not to rely on credit cards; instead, they appreciate the benefits of real-time access and the potential data insights associated with such transactions. To address this requirement, we recently introduced Push-to-Card Payouts. A similar scenario could arise with FedNow. However, it’s worth noting that we currently serve 250 clients, and none of them have indicated a desire for ConnexPay to provide this particular offering.


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Bridge the Advice Gap by Embracing Opportunities in Financial Advisory Technology

Bridge the Advice Gap by Embracing Opportunities in Financial Advisory Technology

In the dynamic realm of financial advisory, the voice of experience is vital in understanding the present landscape. We recently spoke with intelliflo Vice President of Customer Management Lisa Jacobs on the challenges, opportunities, and trends in the advisory space.

Jacobs brings her 15+ years of experience to our conversation that sheds light on how firms can overcome labor shortages, resource constraints, constantly changing technology, and volatile regulations in the financial advice space. She also addresses how advisors can balance and manage the ongoing high-tech vs. high-touch approach.

What are some of the top challenges and opportunities currently facing the financial advisory space?

Lisa Jacobs: We recently surveyed over 400 financial advisors and found that 80% of them believe more people are seeking advice and can’t find or access that help. This is both an enormous challenge and opportunity. Even though more people are seeking professional guidance, advisors across the board are stretched thin, making it nearly impossible to take on new clients without additional support. This prohibits advisors from growing their revenue and supporting more people, leaving many without the help they need. intelliflo was formed to bridge the advice gap; we’re committed to providing the tools and solutions to help advisors widen access to financial advice.

How can technology be leveraged to overcome these challenges and support financial advisors?

Jacobs: Modern technology has the power to help advisors address these resource restraints. In just about every industry, technology yields efficiencies, but the best tech also increases your customer’s satisfaction, too. In our industry, this is becoming known as a hybrid advice strategy – a flexible model in which clients in earlier stages of the financial advice journey are primarily served via digital channels and tools, and technology adds more to the customer experience for top clients with better outcomes.

To effectively embrace more digital tools, advisors are increasingly moving away from stand-along software tools that can’t integrate with other parts of their tech stack to avoid having to learn and log on to multiple systems. Many are seeking an all-in-one advisor experience to increase efficiencies and, in turn, provide a more unified client experience. If approached the right way, technology has the power to enable advisors to accomplish more with existing resources while simultaneously strengthening client relationships.

What advice do you have for financial advisors that are evaluating the many different technology providers out there?

Jacobs: Technology can only be effective if it is easy to use and manage. Otherwise, it might act as more of a hindrance than a benefit. That same survey of advisors underpinned this idea, revealing that the top three biggest barriers to adopting new technology for advisors are integration challenges (57%), time to install (41%), and employee time and resources to manage the technology (38%).

When vetting the many providers and solutions available in the market, advisors should consider these common areas of friction, prioritizing technology that is open and easily integrated, is flexible (which often means cloud-based), and has proven, responsive service and support teams.

Changing regulation seems to be a pressing topic this year for the fintech industry at large. What is the best way for wealth management companies to stay ahead?

A strong way to stay on top of changing regulations and compliance mandates is to collaborate with resources such as peer groups, associations, and technology partners to discuss these issues and what needs to be altered in response. We also increasingly see firms rely on partnership models with third party vendors, looking to outsource key functions and support such as compliance. However, advisors must be sure their partners are thoroughly vetted and monitored on an ongoing basis; not all partners are created equal.

What are the top trends in the advisory space to watch for the second half of the year?

Jacobs: In addition to the continued rise of the hybrid advice model, the evolving role of the advisor is an important trend to watch. A wider skill set is increasingly expected from advisors, including the ability to provide comprehensive guidance around critical life events and situations that fall outside of the traditional financial advisory relationship. For instance, clients are more frequently asking which insurance plans and options are best for their unique scenarios. And as their parents age, Millennials are seeking guidance from advisors on long-term care and arrangement options. These conversations can be emotionally charged, and empathy will become a key trait for the modern advisor. This is another reason why advisors must determine how to strategically leverage technology to make time for higher-value conversations and plans.


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Meet the Masterminds: An Introduction to the Keynote Speakers on Day One of FinovateFall

Meet the Masterminds: An Introduction to the Keynote Speakers on Day One of FinovateFall

FinovateFall 2023 is one month away! Our annual autumn fintech showcase returns to New York City, September 11 through September 13, for three days of live fintech demos, insightful mainstage speakers, and hours of high-quality, professional networking. Book your ticket now and take advantage of big, early-bird savings.

To whet your appetite for our upcoming event, here’s a look at the keynote speakers who will address attendees on Day One of FinovateFall this year.

Devendra Kumar Sharma, President & Chief Operating Officer, Kore.ai

Sharma leads go-to-market functions, revenue growth, client success, strategy, and cross-functional collaboration as Kore.ai President and Chief Operating Officer. At FinovateFall, he will lead a Mastermind Keynote titled “How Generative and Conversational AI is Transforming Everyday Banking.”


Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic, Author, I, Human: AI, Automation, and the Quest to Reclaim What Makes Us Unique

Chamorro-Premuzic will lead an Out of the Box Keynote address titled “ChatGPT, Generative AI & the Future for Humanity.” An international authority in people analytics, talent management, leadership development, and the Human-AI interface, he is the Chief Innovation Officer at Manpower Group.


Jody Bhagat, President of Americas, Personetics and Daniel Caplan, Director, Digital Money Management and Wealth Services, BMO Financial Group

Bhagat and Caplan will team up to deliver a Mastermind Keynote titled “Winning the Battle for Deposits.” Bhagat has deep operating experience in financial services, including managing direct channels, launching digital ventures, and leading digital transformation programs. Caplan is an experienced and agile product manager and strategist who builds winning products, experiences and strategies that deliver tangible business results.


David Porter, Managing Director, Genesys Financial Services and Sachin Tandon, Worldwide Banking Industry Strategist, AWS

Porter leads the Genesys Financial Services vertical team, having spent many years in wealth management, payments, and consumer banking at J.P. Morgan Chase. Tandon has more than 20 years of experience in financial services and consulting leadership roles at J.P. Morgan Chase, EY, Fidelity, and Accenture. Together, Porter and Tandon will provide a Mastermind Keynote titled “The Future of Customer and Employee Experience in Financial Services.”


Justin Kamerman, Chief Product Officer, and Sunil Madhu, founder and CEO, of Instnt

Kamerman has more than 20 years experience designing and building high performance distributed systems in the telecom, IPTV, identity verification, social media analytics, and IIOT industries. Founder and previously CEO and CTO of Socure, Madhu has more than 30 years of experience innovating in the identity and access management, security, governance, and risk and compliance markets. Kamerman and Madhu will team up to deliver a Mastermind Keynote titled “Zero Fraud Loss + Zero Marketing Spend = 50% More Growth.”

Your Foretaste of the Speakers of FinovateFall 2023

Your Foretaste of the Speakers of FinovateFall 2023

Trends in fintech move fast, and one way to stay ahead of each new advancement is to follow the minds of thought leaders in the space. That’s why, for FinovateFall 2023, we’ve gathered an insightful group of speakers to take the stage during the event, which takes place on September 11 through 13 in New York. Be sure to register soon; FinovateFall is typically our largest event.

The diverse group of speakers will offer presentations on a wide range of industry topics, including payments, decentralized finance, lending, open banking, AI, and more. FinovateFall will host almost 130 speakers. And because it’s difficult to feature them all in a single post, we’ve distilled the list to highlight a handful of fintech celebrities that will grace the stage.

Alexa Von Tobel, Co-Founder & Managing Partner at Inspired Capital

Alexa Von Tobel is the co-founder and managing partner of Inspired Capital. Prior to Inspired Capital, Alexa founded LearnVest in 2008 with the goal of helping people make progress on their money. 

Matt Harris, Partner at Bain Capital Ventures

Matt Harris is a Partner at Bain Capital Ventures in New York City and focuses on investments in financial technology. He sees a huge amount of revenue, profit, and market cap shifting from regulated financial institutions to entrepreneur-led insurgents, across payments, lending, capital markets, real estate and insurance. 

Jacqueline Baker, Author of The Unexpected Leader

Jacqueline M. Baker is a speaker, author, leadership consultant and advisor known for her unique approach to modern etiquette and leadership. As the author of The Unexpected Leader: Discovering the Leader Within You and Leader by Mistake: Becoming A Leader One Mistake At A Time, she frequently speaks and writes on the leadership-for-all concept.

Sam Kilmer, Managing Director at Cornerstone Advisors

Sam Kilmer leads Cornerstone Advisors’ fintech advisory practice working with industry providers, fintechs, and investors. He also leads select strategy engagements with banks and credit unions.

Jill Castilla, President & CEO at Citizens Bank of Edmond

As President & CEO of Citizens Bank of Edmond, a one-location $350 million community bank in suburban Oklahoma City, and Chairman of Citizens Bancshares, Inc., Jill Castilla is a nationally recognized innovator in banking and financial technology.

ICBA’s Charles Potts on the Role of Community Bank Partnerships

ICBA’s Charles Potts on the Role of Community Bank Partnerships

How are community banks keeping pace with rising customer expectations and the demands for greater financial inclusion? What role do fintechs play in helping community banks offer their customers the latest innovative fintech solutions?

I spoke with Charles Potts, Executive Vice President and Chief Innovation Officer for the Independent Community Bankers of America (ICBA) to discuss this and other issues, including:

  • Key challenges faced by community bankers today
  • New opportunities and customer expectations
  • The role of partnerships in helping community banks respond to new opportunities
  • The challenge of technology adoption

Check out the full interview below.


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MSU FCU’s Ben Maxim on Making Financial Services Accessible for Underserved Communities

MSU FCU’s Ben Maxim on Making Financial Services Accessible for Underserved Communities

Membership-based financial institutions such as credit unions play a critical role in helping promote financial engagement among those living and working in the communities they serve. This puts them in an ideal place to help promote the cause of financial inclusion, and the challenge of bringing financial services – and technological innovation – to underserved communities.

I spoke with Ben Maxim, Chief Digital Strategy & Innovation Officer at MSU Federal Credit Union at FinovateSpring earlier this year. Among the topics we discussed were:

  • Key business and tech trends to pay attention to
  • How to reach and connect with underserved communities
  • The role of decentralized finance in making financial services more accessible

Maxim provided insights into what underserved communities are looking for in financial services. He also discussed why financial inclusion is about more than breaking down socioeconomic barriers. Check out the full interview below.


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Cornerstone Advisor’s Sam Kilmer Offers His Take on Embedded Finance

Cornerstone Advisor’s Sam Kilmer Offers His Take on Embedded Finance

As we pass the halfway mark through 2023, embedded finance still reigns as one of the biggest talking points across financial services sector. I recently had the opportunity to interview Sam Kilmer, Managing Director at Cornerstone Advisors, to ask him about where the industry stands with embedded finance, and what we can expect next. Among the topics Kilmer addresses are:

  • What does embedded finance mean, and how does it differ from embedded banking?
  • How can banks leveraging third party technologies maintain control of the customer experience?
  • How should firms prioritize spending on embedded technologies?
  • Will leveraging embedded finance become tablestakes?
  • What is the future of embedded finance?

Embedded finance maintains applications across the fintech sector, and Sam Kilmer has a unique perspective on the topic. He also offers up his favorite embedded finance success story. Check out the full interview below.


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A Look into Why and How Wade Arnold Built Moov

A Look into Why and How Wade Arnold Built Moov

At FinovateSpring last month, Moov CEO Wade Arnold talked to us about how and why he built his company, what his greatest hurdles have been, and what he is looking forward to next.

For those unfamiliar with Moov, it is a fintech that provides a payment orchestration API that allows customers to accept, store, send, and spend money. The all-in-one experience offers customers direct connection with card brands, The Clearing House, and the Federal Reserve.

And if you’re unfamiliar with Wade Arnold, you’re missing out! He’s always the smartest guy in the room, and he’s humble enough to share his knowledge with anyone who will listen. Here are the highlights of our conversation with him at FinovateSpring.

What was the impetus to build Moov?

I was inspired to build Moov because, through three different startup companies inside of the financial service space, we spent a lot of time dealing with legacy infrastructure rather than building the product that we wanted to take to market. And so, rather than building another abstraction, I decided to take on the job of building straight to the payment that works.

How many times did you pivot?

I think [we’re] pivoting daily, but for us the biggest pivot was doing payment rails linearly. I definitely wanted to go do everything all at once but thankful that we started with ACH, started with our wallets, then to card acquiring, and just building out each component as our customers needed.

What were the biggest hurdles you faced early on?

The biggest challenge for Moov was getting the Federal Reserve, the Clearing House, and four card brands to say, “yes” to a brand new startup wanting to build directly onto the backbone of their payment infrastructure. So once we were able to overcome that, we were able to start writing code and developing the platform.

If you could repeat the process and start over, what would you do differently?

I’d slow down on sales, and focus on customers. So there’s always a drive to create revenue faster and faster, and that’s an area that I think you have to wait until the company’s ready to go very fast and invest into that opportunity to grow your market.

What’s the biggest lesson you’ve learned from VCs during the funding process?

Interacting with VCs is kind of funny for me. I didn’t really do a market analysis. I just said, “This is broken, I’ve dealt with this my entire life, and want to go build something to fix it.” It was fascinating interacting with VCs, but coming from the opposite angle. As a builder, that’s kind of a bottoms up approach. And they were coming from a market dynamics [perspective]. Both of us landed in the same place.

Where do you see Moov in 10 years?

The vision for the business in 10 years is to really just keep on focusing on customers. You know, a delighted customer is the best reference possible. So we’ll keep on doing that. My long-term aspirations are that we’re a legacy incumbent someday, which just means that, for a period of time, we were the best thing that people could build on top of and that would be an incredible privilege.


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Sam Everington, CEO of Engine by Starling Bank on Meeting the Needs of Customers

Sam Everington, CEO of Engine by Starling Bank on Meeting the Needs of Customers

If you missed the keynote address from Sam Everington, CEO of Engine by Starling Bank at FinovateEurope earlier this year, here are some highlights that will make you feel as if you were in the room.

During his address titled, “From payments to core platforms: How can banks leverage data and technology to meet changing customer,” Everington relayed his experience at Starling Bank, detailing how the newcomer has remained competitive by using customer data in context to not only create a better user experience, but also cut costs.

Everington discussed the shifting expectations of consumers, who now anticipate a digital-first experience similar to those offered by big tech companies. Additionally, because customers seek fair, reasonably priced, and affordable services, in today’s current cost of living crisis, it is key that banks keep their costs low in order to retain consumers’ appetites.

Cost, in fact, was a big part of Everington’s keynote. He emphasized the potential cost savings for banks by increasing the use of technology and enhancing user experiences. He acknowledged that in the banking sector, technology is often viewed as a cost center and technology investments are primarily driven by cost reduction.

“In banks especially, technology and technology investment decisions are all about the business case,” Everington said. “Technology is a cost center to be controlled, and technology investment is by and large a cost reduction exercise.”

In his keynote, Everington identified real-time and flexible systems as essential elements needed to meet customers’ ever-changing financial situations, which can fluctuate multiple times a day. Banks need to proactively understand their customers, be aware of the products and services they hold, and respond promptly to any changes.

To address these needs, Starling Bank developed Engine, a technology platform that supports their operations. Engine offers flexibility, comprehensiveness, scalability, and reliability. These features not only enhance the customer experience but also ensure compliance with U.K. regulations.

Ultimately, Everington emphasized the importance of banks having an innovative platform that allows them to adapt and meet the evolving needs of their customers.


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Showcasing Asian-American Leadership on the Finovate Stage

Showcasing Asian-American Leadership on the Finovate Stage

Asian-American entrepreneurs, founders, and technologists have been demoing fintech innovations on the Finovate stage from the very start. In 2008, the first year Finovate hosted fintech conferences on the West coast as well as the East, we were thrilled to showcase Weiting Liu of SocialPicks, Peter Pham of BillShrink, and Kenneth Lin of Credit Karma.

Fifteen years later, Asian-Americans continue to play a major role in driving fintech innovation – and in demoing those innovations live on the Finovate stage. Here is a look back at those Asian-American fintech and financial services professionals who led live demos at our conferences in New York and San Francisco last year in 2022.


FinovateSpring 2022 – Coinme – Sung Choi, SVP Strategy & Business Development


FinovateSpring 2022 – HAWK:AI – Steve Liú, General Manager North America


FinovateSpring 2022 – JUDI.AI – Su Ning Strube, Chief Product Officer


FinovateSpring 2022 – Prelim – Heang Chan, CEO and Co-Founder


FinovateFall 2022 – PennyWorks – Ivan Zhang, CEO and Co-Founder


FinovateFall 2022 – Supply Wisdom – Shaun Wong, Head of Product


FinovateSpring 2023 is right around the corner – May 23 through 25 in San Francisco, California. Early-bird savings end on Friday, so register today and save your spot!


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How bunq is Building a Global Neobank for the World’s Digital Nomads

How bunq is Building a Global Neobank for the World’s Digital Nomads

FinovateEurope in London was a veritable bonfire of fireside chats! And now, courtesy of Finovate TV, you can check out many of the conversations we had with leading fintech entrepreneurs and technologists.

Here’s our Fireside Chat conversation with Bianca Zwart, Chief of Staff to the CEO of Dutch neobank bunq. We talked about the innovative fintech’s origins in the wake of the financial crisis, the challenge and opportunity of “borderlessness” in Europe, and bunq’s goal of being the “global neobank for digital nomads and international people and businesses.”

On the origins of bunq

Zwart: We were founded just after the financial crisis of 2008. Our founder and CEO Ali Niknam looked around and he saw a lot of people hurt by what was happening. A lot of his friends couldn’t get a mortgage. They were forced to sell their houses – or they couldn’t get a loan as an entrepreneur. He looked around and he saw that people were just pointing fingers, blaming each other and nobody was actually fixing the problem.

On the uniqueness of bunq’s business model

Zwart: We were completely self-funded by our founder for nearly a decade, which gave us the independence to focus on what we wanted to focus on: building a product that people love to use, to bring a service model back to the banking industry. We were the first to introduce a subscription-based model because we were convinced that if you build a product that people love to use, they are willing to pay a fair price for it. By doing so, your commercial reality is directly linked to user happiness.

On the challenge of Europe’s borderless Millennial and Gen Z consumers

Zwart: We all look at Europe as a continent, but it’s just a mixture of so many different countries. Banking is super personal, super cultural. Consider the difference, for example, between the Netherlands and Germany in terms of how we look at money, how we deal with money payment infrastructure. It’s a completely different ballgame and we want our users to have access to financial services wherever they go without having to worry about that.


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Jonathan Alloy on the State of Digital Banking

Jonathan Alloy on the State of Digital Banking

Jonathan Alloy is a seasoned financial services professional with years of experience in the sector. He formerly served as Vice President of Design Thinking at Credit Suisse, where he was responsible for driving innovation and fostering a culture of human-centered design across the organization. Today, he is Vice President for Customer Experience and Innovation Consulting at Publicis Sapient.

Last fall, Jonathan Alloy and Steven Ramirez, CEO of Beyond the Arc, sat down to discuss the current state of digital banking. Here are some highlights from their conversation.

When it comes to partnerships, how does a fintech work with a bank to get a solution in front of customers?

Jonathan Alloy: Fintechs, or any new entrant into the banking industry, really need to understand that banks have two separate departments at the highest level. There’s a group that likes risk– that’s the front office, the people who take deposits, make loans, and trade securities– they thrive on correctly evaluating risk.

The back office, by contrast, thrives on minimizing risk. They’re looking for reasons to say no to protect the bank’s integrity, its reputation, its cybersecurity, and its trust with customers. They’re going to say no to things, even if they’re innovative, because it violates a policy that they’re incentivized by the bank to uphold. Maybe [the solution being offered] is only available in the cloud and the bank only allows things that are on-prem. That’s a very common example. So when you’re developing a solution, you have to understand the risk profile of who in the bank has the authority to say yes.

What is it about digital banking that excites you?

Alloy: I think the biggest opportunity right now in some ways remains where it was 20 years ago. [This opportunity] is increasingly being where the customer is. This enables us to deliver financial services when, where, and how they want to consume, not just how we want to provide it. And that’s an important distinction.

Whether [you deliver] through mobile payments, through white labeling, whatever the case may be– it’s a matter of getting out in front of the traditional banking silos, breaking down the walls we have internally, and getting it out in the world to understand it from [the customer’s] point of view.

When we look at the world through the eyes of how customers want to make purchases, payments, take out loans, and invest for retirement, we’re going to learn things that we don’t get if we stay in our silos.

Any tips for banks that want to think like a customer?

Alloy: The number one best thing I could encourage everybody to do is go shopping yourself. So you’re CEOs, your CXOs, your executive team, your management team, your middle managers, your front line employees– everybody should be required to go out, and from another bank that’s not you, as well as you, sign up for a new checking account, get a debit card and a credit card, take out a loan, buy a car– whatever your personal financial needs are. Think about, “was this experience enjoyable or tolerable?” In most cases, what we find, is that for most people, banking is barely tolerable. So when somebody comes along with an innovative new idea or a new approach that makes it just that much more better, they’re going to win great[er] share.

Hear more from Jonathan Alloy in the full conversation.


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